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Twee weken geleden demonteerden we de nieuwe entry-level 13" MacBook Pro om erachter te komen dat deze dunner, lichter, sneller en (sad face) minder goed repareerbaar was dan de meeste andere pro-level laptops. Vandaag nemen we onze tools weer in de hand om de met Touch Bar gezegende neef te onderzoeken. Zal deze machine ons wel weten te verrassen met een aantal upgrade-vriendelijke features of gaat deze net zo wegwerpbaar zijn als de box waar het in wordt geleverd? Er is maar één manier om daar achter te komen: het is weer tijd voor een demontage!

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  1. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar, Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 1, afbeelding 1 van 2 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar, Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 1, afbeelding 2 van 2
    • De miljoen-euro-vraag van vandaag: is dit de opgepompte versie van de 13-inch "Escape Edition," of een versoberde versie van de 15-inch Touch Bar unit? Dit is wat de tech specs ons vertellen:

    • 13.3” LED-backlit IPS Retina-scherm met 2560 × 1600 resolution (227 dpi), P3 kleurenspectrum

    • 2.9 GHz Skylake dual-core Intel Core i5 (Turbo Boost tot wel 3.3 GHz) met geïntegreerde Intel Iris Graphics 550

    • 8 GB of 2133 MHz LPDDR3 onboard geheugen (16 GB configuratie is beschikbaar)

    • 256 GB, 512 GB of 1 TB PCIe-based SSD

    • Vier Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) poorten welke onder andere opladen, DisplayPort, Thunderbolt, USB 3.1 2e generatie ondersteunen

    • Touch Bar met geïntegreerde Touch ID-sensor

    • Force Touch-trackpad

    "Today's million-dollar question: Is this a scaled-up version of the 13-inch "Escape Edition," or a scaled-down version of the 15-inch Touch Bar unit? Here's what the tech specs tell us:"

    So we'll need the teardown of the 15" to be sure.

    alex - Antwoord

    Where I can find information about remplace the SSD from 256gb to 1Tb in the model A1706? Its impossible shopping the hdd![br]

    [br]

    corpusgc@gmail.com

    Corpus García Ruiz.- - Antwoord

  2. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 2, afbeelding 1 van 2 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 2, afbeelding 2 van 2
    • Een rudimentaire inspectie van de buitenkant van de laptop onthult de reeds verwachte FCC-certificaties en een nieuw modelnummer: A1706.

    • De Touch Bar is ook erg mooi, maar het lijkt toch iets te... missen.

    • Wij zeggen niets tegen Apple mits jullie ook niets zeggen.

    • We kunnen niet wachten om onze schroevendraaiers te pakken en aan het werk te gaan—maar laten we eerst wat ander vergelijkingsmateriaal erbij pakken: de 13" Retina MacBook Pro uit eind 2016.

  3. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 3, afbeelding 1 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 3, afbeelding 2 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 3, afbeelding 3 van 3
    • Volgens Apple komen de afmetingen van deze MacBook Pro precies overeen met die van de "Escape Edition" machine die we een aantal weken geleden hebben gedemonteerd. Geloven we dit zomaar? Ja, eigenlijk wel.

    • Mis je je Function Keys? Druk dan op de Function Key om je ontbrekende Function Keys op roepen. Kameleon-modus, aan!

    • Wat ons opvalt bij het bekijken van de buitenkant is uiteraard de poort-situatie aan de rechterkant van de laptop. Deze met Touch Bar uitgeruste machine bevat twee extra Thunderbolt-poorten zodat je twee keer zoveel ruimte hebt om je dongle's aan te sluiten.

    • Als we beide toestellen op de weegschaal gooien, komen we erachter dat de Touch Bar-versie ongeveer 20 gram minder weegt dan haar tegenhanger. We dichten dat verschil toe aan de net iets kleinere batterij van de Touch Bar.

    • Tot slot vinden we een aantal zij-ventilatoren aan de onderkant van de Touch Bar-versie, gelijk aan degene die we in de vorige Retina MacBook Pro's vonden—maar die weer niet te vinden was op het Function Keys-model.

  4. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 4, afbeelding 1 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 4, afbeelding 2 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 4, afbeelding 3 van 3
    • Hoewel het normaal voor de meest iPhone's gereserveerd is, halen we ook bij deze laptop even snel de pentalobe-en-zuignap-procedure uit de kast. Vervolgens kunnen we het onderste deksel eruit schuiven met een bekende manoeuvre.

    • Laten we "Herken de verschillen!" spelen: aan de linkerkant hebben we de Touch Bar MBP, aan de rechterkant de Escape Edition MBP.

    • Touch Bar features: een kleinere batterij, twee ventilatoren, dubbelzijdig koellichaam, geen SSD-kaart, speakers aan de onderkant (die niet helemaal mooi uitkomen met de grills).

    • Function Key features: veel meer onderdelen die je vrijwel direct kunt verwijderen—waaronder de SSD, de speakers en de batterij (hoewel... soort van).

    • Het lijkt er bij het Touch Bar-model op dat we enkel het trackpad en de hoofdtelefoonjack kunnen verwijderen voordat we op het logic board stuiten.

    Seems to bad that they put a *smaller* battery into the Touch Bar model. It has a faster processor (2.9 to 2.0 i5), which presumably uses more power. It has a faster memory bus - that might change power usage, and it has two more thunderbolt/USB-C ports (or maybe two thunderbolt/USB-C and two USB-C-only) I don't know whether that would add a bigger power drain unless all four ports are being used.

    Could Apple have simply added half an inch thickness and stuffed in more battery cells without turning it into a "thermal bomb"? (Of course they'd never do that because Apple's thin-ness obsession..)

    jimwitte - Antwoord

    Why does Escape Edition MBP has only one fan where as Touch bar MBP has two?

    samprockstar - Antwoord

    Escape edition has a TDP of 15W, while the Touch Bar edition has a TDP of 28W. Almost twice the heat, so need two fans during heavy duty tasks.

    Yin Wang -

  5. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 5, afbeelding 1 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 5, afbeelding 2 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 5, afbeelding 3 van 3
    • Het lijkt er ernstig op dat 2016 het jaar van de nieuwe aansluitingen lijkt te zijn, aangezien dit al de tweede keer is dat we een nieuwe configuratie tegenkomen wat betreft de brug van de batterij.

    • Deze koperen blokken zijn voor de plus en de min van de batterij.

    • Apple lijkt er ook een aansluiting bij te hebben gevoegd die eigenlijk... helemaal nergens naartoe gaat?

    • Zou het kunnen dat dit een diagnostische poort is? Printplaten en firmware moet af en toe getest of gediagnosticeerd worden—hoewel we al een flinke hoeveelheid testpunten hebben gezien die meestal voldoende zijn.

    • We vinden ook de modulaire hoofdtelefoonjack, deze keer echter zonder microfoons eraan. We dachten hier al dat dit een ding van vroeger zou zijn..

    • Dichtbij vinden we ook een sticker die mogelijke waterschade indiceert, rustig en kalm wachtend op de grote dag waarop jij je ice tea over je Touch Bar heen gooit en deze sticker haar essentie kan vervullen door roze te kleuren.

    Does it really have no mic input for headsets? Or did you mean something else?

    malhal - Antwoord

    Too many lines to be a diagnostic port, look at the shielding as well, this is a high speed interface.

    I'm thinking Apple realized it need a means to access the soldered SSD if the rest of the system died. So this is a jumper block to connect the onboard SSD to either the onboard CPU or externally to another system to access the data on the SSD via the connection. Its also possible it may allow one to add in a daughter board, additional SSD storage.

    Dan - Antwoord

    That would be my thought as well Dan, they have to give themselves some way out when you fry your machine.

    Jonathan Larson -

    Add in a daughter board *where*? (Unless they want to go the way of Google's sadly defunct Ara project..)

    jimwitte -

    Dan, diagnostic ports often have high speed interfaces (e.g. JTAG and HSSTP) in order to debug onboard controllers.

    Michel Kakulphimp - Antwoord

    Yes, thats true it would be on the faster side, but not so fast as to need the extra shielding. Also look at its location and besides a diagnostic port would have fewer lines. I'm very sure you are looking at a 8 lane PCIe interface given the number of lines (1x8+2x4). That would leave the two 4 lane interfaces are for the Thunderbolt chips.

    Dan -

    So are you saying its 3.5mm jack is just TRS not TRRS?

    Joe Blair - Antwoord

    The "diagnostic port" is definitely a "emergency exit" port to access the files from the SSD when the rest of the machine is dead.

    Lukather - Antwoord

    Definitely based on.......?

    alex -

    Until someone gets access to the service manual or training we are just guessing here. Common sense and experience can lead us to the most probable function.

    Gaining access to a dead systems SSD is a likely function, the other would be for diagnostics. I'm discounting the diagnostic function as one only needs about 20 lines to setup HSSTP for a low end setup. Remember the MacBook Pro is not that complex a device to need more than the basic setup (this connector is offering 42 pins + 4 grounds as well as a full shield)

    Dan - Antwoord

    Here’s the special SSD access tool! https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/24/apple-spe...

    Dan - Antwoord

  6. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 6, afbeelding 1 van 2 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 6, afbeelding 2 van 2
    • Net als in het Function Keys-model komt het trackpad er in de Touch Bar versie ook makkelijk uitgeschoven na het verwijderen van tien T5 Torx-schroeven.

    • We zijn ook blij mede te kunnen delen dat de trackpads van deze respectievelijke modellen identiek zijn aan elkaar, en waarschijnlijk dus ook cross-compatibel zijn (wat betekent dat je de een in het andere toestel kan plaatsen en andersom).

    • De kabelligging is echter wat anders om het gemodificeerde logic board te kunnen huisvesten. Dus als je van plan bent om een kapot trackpad te vervangen, zorg dat je de originele flexkabels behoudt.

    • Voor het geval dat je het gemist hebt, dit zijn de IC's die we de eerste keer al hebben geïdentificeerd:

    • STMicroelectronics STM32F103VB ARM Cortex-M3 MCU

    • Broadcom BCM5976C1KUFBG Touch Controller

    • Maxim Integrated MAX11291ENX 24-Bit, 6-Channel Delta-Sigma ADC

    What those ics responsible for?

    Sos Mac - Antwoord

    Wheres the taptic engine? There's three settings for feedback level, so it's in there somewhere.

    samsung154 - Antwoord

  7. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 7, afbeelding 1 van 2 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 7, afbeelding 2 van 2
    • We zijn klaar om de rest van de buitenkant te verwijderen. Het zou tof zijn als we een kijkje konden krijgen in de batterij, de ventilatoren, het koellichaam en de speakers. Tenzij we dat niet kunnen.

    • Het symmetrische logic board houdt de wacht bij de rest van de onderdelen, dus we halen de aansluiting los en bevrijden het uit de behuizing.

    • Het koellichaam is aan de onderkant aan het logic board vastgeschroefd. Nu we het logic board uit de behuizing hebben gehaald, zijn we ook in staat om het koellichaam te verwijderen voor een integere inspectie—met een afvoerpijp in beide richtingen heeft het twee keer zoveel pijp als het entry-level model.

    Does anyone have any idea of who makes the heat piping? Or do they make them in-house?

    jimwitte - Antwoord

  8. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 8, afbeelding 1 van 2 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 8, afbeelding 2 van 2
    • Tijd om naar het snorren logic board te kijken om te zien welke chips deze MacBook daadwerkelijk een Pro maken:

    • Intel Core i5-6267U processor met Intel Iris Graphics 550

    • Intel JHL6540 Thunderbolt 3-controller

    • SanDisk SDRQKBDC4 064G 64 GB NAND flashgeheugen (x2 voor een totaal van 128 GB)

    • Samsung K4E6E304EB-EGCE DDR3 DRAM (4 x 2 GB voor 8 GB in totaal)

    • Texas Instruments SN650839 66AL7XWGI en TI/Stellaris LM4FS1EH SMC Controller (Vervangende codenaam voor TM4EA231)

    • Murata/Apple 339S00056 Wi-Fi-module

    • R4432ACPE-GD-F

    Why are they using 4x2 GB RAM modules? Is this making any sense? Didn't they just use one?

    Albert Zweistein - Antwoord

    That is JEDEC LPDDR3 spec and the spec intel processor supports.

    The LPDDR3 chip supports 32-bits data width and to support 128-bits LPDDR3 data width intel processor supports . It needs 4 four LPDDR3 chips.

    JJ Wu -

    A couple of possible reasons:

    - Wiring for 4 chips would be necessary to support the 1TB SSD option (4 x 256GB)

    - Access is faster when solid state storage is spread over more chips (wider bus).

    Neil Maller - Antwoord

    Not sure I follow you here. The RAM interface is independent of the SSD interface (PCIe).

    Dan -

    Intel Core i5-6267U processor only supports LPDDR3 upto 1866Mhz (base on Intel link). If the LPDDR3 in the MacBook Pro has maximum data rate is 2133Mhz. Is the maximum data rate 2133 or 1866 Mhz?

    Nguyen Hung Son - Antwoord

    Apple control so much of what they use that it gives them potential to go a long way outside the box.

    Given that they totally control the SSD controller, then there are things that they could do to greatly improve paging performance to fast SSD. And those things could well involve wanting the widest memory path that they can get.

    alex - Antwoord

    Could "R4432ACPE-GD-F" be "F4432ACPE-GD-F"? That should be the SSD controller which is the same one in the MBP w/o Touch Bar.

    JJ Wu - Antwoord

    which network card is in it?..........

    Abhishek Jindal - Antwoord

    I'm looking for the IC under the Intel JHL6540 Thunderbolt 3 controller near the corner, is there a name for it?

    Jim Bean - Antwoord

  9. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 9, afbeelding 1 van 2 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 9, afbeelding 2 van 2
    • Bij het omdraaien van het logic board vinden we nog een hele verzameling aan chips, waaronder:

    • SanDisk SDRQKBDC4 64 GB NAND flashgeheugen (die we ook zagen in de Escape Edition's verwijderbare SSD)—wat het totaal op 256 GB brengt

    • APL1023 343S00137 (waarschijnlijk de op maat gemaakte Apple T1-chip die gecombineerd is met de Touch Bar)

    • 2x Texas Instruments TI CD3215C00 68C7QKW G1

    • Intersil 95828 HRTZ X630MRD

    • (Apple?) 338S00193-A1 16348HCI

    • WinBond SpiFlash W25Q64FVZPIQ 64 Mb serial flashgeheugen

    • NXP 66V10 NFC-controller, bevat Secure Element 008 en NXP PN549 (zoals we ook in de iPhone 6s zagen)

    Does the NFC chip mean that the MBP could theoretically be used with Apple Pay? Or is there some other reason they would have included it? (Apple, *futureproofing*? The devices are almost hermetically sealed, so there's probably no possibility of even an "Apple blessed" upgrade option) Chipworks has their docs on it, but they cost many hundreds or thousands of dollars each (do they perhaps have a student discount?)

    jimwitte - Antwoord

    It's only for the secure element. If my memory is right, the iPad also has a similar controller but doesn't support NFC.

    Dean Lubaki -

    Likely used for Mac OS High Sierra’s NFC setup functionally for AirPods and Tethering.

    Alex - Antwoord

    I want to buy this. Where can I find it? Can you help me?

    2x Texas Instruments TI CD3215C00 68C7QKW G1

    Mohammad Henno - Antwoord

  10. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 10, afbeelding 1 van 1
    • En nóg meer:

    • 2x Pericom PI3WVR12612 HDMI 2.0, DisplayPort 1.2 Video Switch

    • Cirrus Logic CS42L83A Audio Codec

    • National Semiconductor 66A82NU 48B1-004

    • Texas Instruments TPS51916 memory power synchrone buck controller en TPS51980A synchrone buck controller

    • Texas Instruments TMP513A PMIC

    • 2x Fairchild Semiconductor FDMC7570S PMIC

    • Fairchild Semiconductor FDMC86106LZ PMIC

    Does anyone have a datasheet for the audio logic? (CS42L83A) I cannot find one on the internet.

    Xardas22222 - Antwoord

    The two buck controllers drive the display and keyboard LED backlights.

    Dan - Antwoord

  11. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 11, afbeelding 1 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 11, afbeelding 2 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 11, afbeelding 3 van 3
    • Nog een nieuwe feature op de MacBook Pro met Touch Bar is de toevoeging van Touch ID.

    • Hoewel dit de eerst Mac-computer is die een vingerafdruklezer bevat, gaat deze techniek al sinds 2004 mee.

    • Welkom bij de familie.

    • De hardware die deze handige feature aanstuurt bevat een knop die met capacitieve sensoren, die vingers kunnen onderscheiden, is gekoppeld.

    • Die knop werkt ook als aan-/uitknop, dus het repareren van een aan-/uitknop kan ineens een intensievere reparatie worden dan het altijd is geweest.

    • De Touch ID-knop is afgewerkt met saffierkristal, wat de vingerafdrukscanner van krassen zou moeten beschermen.

    Are you seeing any water protection around the Touch ID button and case? This is one part I see needing to be regularly cleaned (just like on the iPhone) to get rid of oils so it actually works.

    plink53 - Antwoord

    @plink53 - Looking at the images it doesn't look like any sealant was added where the part meets the body. I would have expected a gasket or sealant caulk traces to be seen, none are. Thats also true with the Touch Bar & Track Pad as well.

    Dan - Antwoord

    as if capacitive buttons just break

    James Deng - Antwoord

    "...fingerprint reader, the tech has been around since at least 2004...."

    try 1994

    But Apple's works. Not just as a demo, but on an everyday basis.

    alex - Antwoord

    Samsung and Micron/MicronPC/MPC laptops had fingerprint readers and security software using them since the late 1990's. Dunno if Samsung continued to do so after MPC went out of business in 2008, cutting off that channel for selling Samsung's high end laptops in the North American market.

    galane - Antwoord

    My Touch ID is loos...Is that a common problem?

    DTO - Antwoord

    mine is loose too, not sure if it will cause problems

    xhz -

    Hi everyone

    What is the black “plastic” which be two black screws hold?

    Is it make button more elasticity?

    Thank you

    Hsiao-Yang Fu - Antwoord

  12. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 12, afbeelding 1 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 12, afbeelding 2 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 12, afbeelding 3 van 3
    • Aan beide eindes van het logic board vinden we een klein, modulair USB-C bord.

    • Nu de door ons zo geliefde MagSafe-aansluiting met pensioen is gestuurd, betekent dat een verkeerde stap op de kabel van je oplader meer kans op schade aan je poorten inhoudt—daarom is het bemoedigend te zien dat de USB-C hardware apart kan worden vervangen (alhoewel je het logic board moet verwijderen om die hardware te bereiken).

    • Hoewel beide USB-C modules identiek lijken, meent Apple dat enkel de poorten aan de linkerzijde volle bandbreedte Thunderbolt 3 performance kunnen leveren.

    • Met dat eruit kunnen we eindelijk de ventilatoren uit de laptop halen. Deze hoog aangeprezen blazers meten een diameter van 43 mm—iets minder dan de 45 mm ventilator die we in de entry-level MacBook Pro vonden (maar hey, je krijgt er nu wel twee).

    I think it was a big mistake to loose the MagSafe concept for the power cord. I've tripped on my cord a few times thankfully the cord disconnected before the laptop took a spill.

    Dan - Antwoord

    Could the USB-C hardware-connector spec be made with a magnetic clasp? Or does Microsoft have a patent on doing that for something with more than 5 pins?

    jimwitte -

  13. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 13, afbeelding 1 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 13, afbeelding 2 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 13, afbeelding 3 van 3
    • Precies passend tussen de zijkant van de MacBook en het toetsenbord vinden we twee speaker grills—vakkundig gemaakte openingen die geluidsgolven uit de MacBook Pro duwen naar... Wacht even..

    • De speakers zijn niet onder de speaker grills te vinden.

    • Deze speakers blazen hun indrukwekkende geluiden waarschijnlijk door de luchtopeningen aan de zijkant.

    • Het lijkt erop dat de grills er vooral voor de sier zitten, misschien om het design op één lijn te brengen. Interessant genoeg bevat de Function Key-editie ook wat "nepgaten", alhoewel dat wel verschillende zijn.

    • Demontage-update: Oké, dus de meeste van deze gaten zijn puur cosmetisch, maar na het eruit halen van de tweeters in de volgende stap kwamen we erachter dat de gaten wel degelijk geluid uit de binnenkant van de Mac naar buiten dragen.

    It looks to me like these speakers are simply ported— a common technique used in home theater speakers to achieve bigger sound. Also, the way this is laid out the speakers are further away from the logic board too, which might allow Apple to crank the bass further up, knowing that potentially chip-breaking low-frequency sound waves have more distance to dissipate.

    Slipp D - Antwoord

    All those perforations probably shave off quite a few grams of weight compared to a solid slab of aluminium.

    matthiasbartosik - Antwoord

    Perhaps - then why didn't they put *more* of them in? Since weight seems to be second only to thin-ness on Apple's list-of-priorities.

    jimwitte -

    "These speakers likely blast their impressive sound through the side air vents."

    Eyes are useful, but for some things Ears can be a better tool?

    alex - Antwoord

    I have this Mac. If you cover those "fake" holes, it sound totally different. Try it in an Apple store and you'll see... hear?

    Lok - Antwoord

    I spill only a drop of water at speaker grill on the left. Is it damaged my macbook?

    Chinnawat Ong-art - Antwoord

    If you cover the speaker grilles it does block the sound, your detail is incorrect.

    Anthony Brocco - Antwoord

    so the grills only go clear through the case at the bottom as shown ? I dropped only a few drops of liquid on the upper grills beside the delete button and cleaned it right away, is it safe ?

    Peter Labib - Antwoord

    Yeah, despite all the whining in the comments, all those speaker holes up there ARE cosmetic. The only ones that are actual, functional holes in the aluminum are way down next to the right arrow key. As long as your spill didn’t get onto the keyboard keys or the power button, you’re perfectly fine—it’s no different than if you got some liquid onto the palm rest or the display lid. Rest easy!

    Jeff Suovanen -

    Thank you buddy very much, I was really worried

    Peter - Antwoord

    Dear iFixit. Firrst: I love you guys! BUT… sorry to say your assumtion may not be 100% The down firing speakers are the subwoofers(!). There are little, closed compartments like little domes right above them, which contain the tweeters. Maybe you can add another picture for this detail

    Bjoern - Antwoord

    Dear iFixit. First: I love you guys! But… sorry to say your description may not be 100%. The down firing speakers are the subwoofers(!). There are little, closed compartments like little domes right above them, which contain the tweeters. Maybe you can add another picture for this detail?

    Bjoern - Antwoord

  14. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 14, afbeelding 1 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 14, afbeelding 2 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 14, afbeelding 3 van 3
    • Ondanks de weerstand die de zware lijm eronder biedt, gebruiken we een combinatie van een openingsplectrum en een spudger om de rechterspeaker uit de bovenste behuizing te wrikken.

    • We ontdekken vervolgens wat lijkt op een ienie-mienie speaker, net boven de "echte" speaker geplaatst.

    • Op basis van de gaten onder de kleinere speaker nemen we aan dat dit een tweeter is die is geplaatst om de hogere frequenties van geluid te produceren.

    • We hielden stiekem wel van de schattige rubber-bumper geluidsisolerende schroeven die de speakers in de Function Keys MBP bevestigden. Het lijkt er echter op dat ze er in de Touch Bar voor hebben gekozen om extra kleverige lijm te gebruiken.

    In the 13 step you said the speakers aren't under the speaker grills, but in this step I see that the tweeter is under the speaker grills. Is that true?

    Antonio R - Antwoord

    Hmmm, two-way audio system in a Mac laptop? Interesting.

    hugostonge - Antwoord

    It is a two way sound system. If you cover the top "holes" with your hands the high frequency cuts out. However, it's hard to tell if all the holes are drilled or just enough for the tweeter. In any case it sounds great and is LOUD. I suppose the function key model though will sound better.

    Hector Ordorica -

    • We zijn inmiddels zo dicht bij de Touch Bar dat we haar bijna kunnen.. aanraken..

    • Het lijkt erop dat Apple haar stempel extra hard op de coole tech wil drukken door een P2 pentalobe-schroef over de ingang van de Touch Bar te knallen.

    • Gelukkig zijn wij altijd voorbereid op alles..

    • We koppelen een interconnectkabel uit de onderste behuizing—deze verbindt het logic board aan het Touch Bar-scherm en stuurt waarschijnlijk wat silicoon op het scherm aan. We vinden:

    • STMicroelectronics 32A 8628

    "We're so close to the Touch Bar we can almost, well, touch it."

    except that you broke it in step 13, so mind you don't cut yourself.

    alex - Antwoord

    The power/Touch ID button needs to be replaced at the same time as the logic board, or vice versa as they're paired at the factory presumably. So a power button means you have to transfer ALL the data from one SSD to the next!!

    Positive Intent - Antwoord

    • Het begint heet te worden hier! We beroepen ons op onze vriend, de iOpener, om ons bij te staan in het verwijderen van de Touch Bar.

    • Kids, gather 'round! Vandaag leren we hoe je per ongeluk de Touch Bar sloopt! Onze poging om het OLED-paneel van de bovenste behuizing te scheiden resulteerde in het scheiden van de digitizer en het scherm. Door schade en schande wordt men wijs!

    • Om het allemaal nog erger te maken, is de flexkabel van de Touch Bar onder de bovenste behuizing gelegd, wat ervoor zorgt dat het verwijderen van de Touch Bar net iets vervelender is dan we hadden verwacht.

    Could be a great idea to put in the front of Step 19 two red exclamation marks for people to pay attention? Maybe in the corners of the pictures as well?

    Roberto Allende - Antwoord

  15. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 17, afbeelding 1 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 17, afbeelding 2 van 3 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 17, afbeelding 3 van 3
    • Menselijke aanraking moet worden verwerkt door een brein. Touch Bar-aanraking moet worden verwerkt door een chip. Met wat gepriegel vinden we dan toch het brein van de Touch Bar:

    • Broadcom BCM5976TC1KUB60G touch controller

    • Het verwijderen van de OLED-strip is al moeilijk genoeg, maar onze inspanningen waren niet voor niets! Misschien een beetje dan. Okay, onze inspanning was voor niets (en onze hoop en dromen zijn vervlogen). De Touch Bar is erg kwetsbaar.

    • Om daar nog een schepje bovenop te doen, stuiten we op een ongemarkeerde chip. Gezien de locatie is het waarschijnlijk een driver van een scherm.

    • Na het eruit schrapen van al deze zaken ontdekken we een module met drie microfoons. Waar is de meest linkse microfoon naar aan het luisteren? Naar de ventilator? Het toetsenbord? Wie weet!

    The third microphone is probably there to remove fan noise + keyboarding clicking noise.

    Tobias Due Munk - Antwoord

    Nah - I'd guess it's either Apple and/or the NSA listening in on sex chats.. (Oh, sorry, that was my inner Steve Bannon..)

    jimwitte -

    Does photo 2 here serve as confirmation that the leftmost part of the touch bar is inactive, meaning that a soft escape key cannot be properly located far enough left to be directly above the backquote/tilde key?

    John Pane - Antwoord

    But it's actually touchable. If you touch the leftmost part of the touch bar, esc-key will be pressed (and highlighted).

    Andrey Startsev -

    The mic is probebly for Siri as in iphone use the upper mic for siri and not the "talking" buttom mic.

    Sos Mac - Antwoord

  16. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 18, afbeelding 1 van 2 Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 18, afbeelding 2 van 2
    • Tot slot weten we de (intens hard vastgelijmde) 5-cellige batterij.

    • Hoewel, vijf-achtige cellen. Met een nominaal voltage van 11.41 V zijn de twee buitenste paren parallel geschakeld en hebben ze zo dezelfde laadcapaciteit als de middelste, om zo drie ~3.8 V cellen in serie te creëren.

    • We hopen dat je "Pro"-carriere aan de korte kant is; het vervangen van deze batterij is op z'n zachtst gezegd uitzonderlijk.

    • Het batterijbord bevat een TI BQ20Z451 (een mogelijke variant van de BQ20Z45-R1 lijn, die we sinds altijd in MacBook Pro's zijn tegengekomen).

    • Met een vermogen van 49.2 Wh lijkt deze batterij wat aan de kleine kant vergeleken met de Function Key-batterij met een vermogen van 54.5 Wh—helemaal gezien het een heleboel meer functies moet ondersteunen.

    • We zetten nog even de puntjes op de i door de batterijen op een weegschaal te leggen: de Function Key MBP batterij weegt 235 gram, waar de batterij van deze laptop slechts 197 gram weegt.

    • Het verschil in gewicht verklaart in ieder geval gedeeltelijk waarom de Touch Bar-editie lichter is, maar desondanks overlegt de batterij met Wh dan de afname in gewicht zou doen verwachten.

    Hello this rMBP 13,3" with touch bar , the battery how many mHa ?

    Portable External Battery perspective I'm interested in

    Imre Office - Antwoord

    How could the touch bar edition feature a smaller battery but yet about the same batter hour of usage at 10 hours?

    honorousjack - Antwoord

    Those cells look tiny. I hope next year's model has a capacity of at least 70 watt hours with two cells in each one.

    Justin B. (Nytalite) - Antwoord

    What about the keyboard? Can it be replaced?

    Jakob Zimmermann - Antwoord

    Do you really have to take 18(!) steps in order to remove the battery of a touch bar model? Seems a little exaggerated to me.

    Roderick - Antwoord

    This isn't a guide—it's just an overview of the hardware.

    Jeff Suovanen -

  17. Demontage van de MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar: stap 19, afbeelding 1 van 1
    • Hier issie dan in z'n geheel: de MacBook Pro 13" uit eind 2016 met alle Touch Bar glorie!

    • Ben je teleurgesteld dat we niet aan het scherm zijn toegekomen? Het is dezelfde procedure als in de demontage van de 13" Function Key—antenne bar, verige linten, en wat al niet..

    Nothing about the wifi card?? Is there a wifi card or its also solderd to the board?

    Sos Mac - Antwoord

  18. Laatste gedachten
    • Het trackpad kan worden verwijderd zonder eerst de batterij te hoeven verwijderen.
    • Propriëtaire pentalobe-schroeven blijven het werken aan en repareren van het toestel onnodig bemoeilijken.
    • De batterijmodule is volledig, en erg stevig, in de behuizing vastgelijmd, wat vervanging bemoeilijkt.
    • De processor, RAM en het flashgeheugen zijn aan het logic board vastgesoldeerd.
    • De Touch Bar voegt een tweede, moeilijk te vervangen scherm toe dat makkelijk beschadigd raakt.
    • De Touch ID-sensor functioneert ook als aan-/uitknop en is met de T1 chip op het logic board gecombineerd. Het repareren van een kapotte aan-/uitknop kan dus noodzakelijke hulp van Apple vereisen, of een nieuw logic board.
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what a mess inside. especially given the spaces around the batteries, and the off position of speakers, looks like the chassis was optimised for the non-touchbar version (much cleaner layout, removable SSD, no gaps), and touchbar addition was a later decision. Maybe initially they envisaged only the 15" would have touchbar.

a similar case of "odd unused chassis space" happened with the first gen 13" retina macbook pro, which had empty space under the trackpad. Was probably a late decision to use small form SSD over 2.5" SSD. this empty space was used up on subsequent updates.

to me the touchbar version has way too many compromises. the biggest issues are: smaller battery, while using a processor with a higher TDP. and non upgradable SSD (arguably the only component that might require future upgrade, unless you want to pay extraordinary money right now).

Kim Zhou - Antwoord

How do you do a power rest if the machine hangs? Before you held down the power button for a few seconds. Would that work with a touch ID button?

Maxim - Antwoord

It still is a physical button. Just like the iPhones (except iPhone 7).

mamufek -

I would assume that you still do - the Touch ID sensor is still a physical button, so there's no reason it doesn't work like a normal button as before. However, to stop it shutting down the machine with a single click, I'd imagine macOS has some code in it saying "if the power button is pushed while the computer is on, it's probably for Touch ID things, so don't shut down".

WilliamTM -

in fact you have to press it long to act like a power button says the apple support page :P

oowaschbaeroo -

First generation computers tend to lend themselves to some issues. However, given the price bump and the Apple brand I was expecting more, much more. The concept seems nice, the hardware implementation not so much. Laptops are to be mobile, so sacrificing battery life for weight is not a design decision that appeals to me. With Skylake I was expecting the REAL battery life to surpass 12 hours...

Paulo Neves - Antwoord

MacBook Pro with SSD RAID 0 inside?

Peter Gamble - Antwoord

Not here, sorry ;-{

Dan -

So can you move the touch ID sensor to another mac? Does it still work? Or are we going to have an Error 53 for Mac and a connect to iTunes screens.

Miles Blakesley - Antwoord

Of course you can't. It's like the TouchID on iPhones and iPads. It's paired with the T1.

Gianluca Borchia -

probably everything works execpt touchID, hopefully apple learned their lesson

Ethan Chow -

Whoever writes these teardowns, dear sir/ma'am, you deserve a medal.

nysarne - Antwoord

I 2nd that! Great job folks!

Dan -

Lack of repair-ability is understandable and unavoidable in today's world of disposable gadgets. If my $500 laptop craps out, so be it. However, $2000 worth of computer is not disposable. I would never buy another macbook.

jhjh - Antwoord

It's not unrepairable. It's just unrepairable by unequipped amateurs, which is where iFixit sell their bits and pieces.

And those same things that make it more difficult to repair, also make it less likely to go wrong in the first place.

Again, not in iFixit's commercial interest to encourage.

alex -

I guess I see things a bit differently than Alex here. True IFIXIT is a business as such they do need to make money, but its more than that. The vision is to not create waste by repurpose or repair. The more Apple goes down this path of non-repairable it kills their own mission of being ecology minded. People don't want to throw away a $2 - 3 K system just to get a bit more memory or storage. They want some expandability! Likewise, being forced to replace major assemblies to deal with a small part failure is also wasteful!

Dan -

Random question - what do you end up doing with the things you tear down after? Do they all go back together again (and end up in full working condition)?

Andrew - Antwoord

As you can see they've already ruined a lot of things, so this is not going back together.

Tom Chai -

From the IFIXIT team: "Not to worry—we definitely don't let our teardown devices go to waste. Oftentimes we will use them to create a full set of repair guides. We create some in-house and also send devices through our edu program to teach technical writing. You can learn more about that here. After that, we make sure they find a good home, or dispose of them responsibly."

Dan -

Wait, no split fin fans in the touchbar 13" either? I thought their website showed the touchbar 13" as having them...?

nitesh singh - Antwoord

'On the 15-inch MacBook Pro, an innovative split blade design allows for more blades and delivers increased airflow.'

http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/

unsubstantiated -

Somebody should tell the Apple guys at the wheelhouse that an iLaptop is not an iPhone before it is too late and most of us have jumped the iShip before some new Jobs guy has emerged to save it after all the latest course these guys have set.

MiKa - Antwoord

If you compare in Step 4 the two versions of the MacBook, you can see the version without the touch has the vent openings for the second fan too.

TheLOD2010 - Antwoord

"The speakers are not located under the speaker grilles. The speaker grille doesn't even go clear through the case."

Yet the tweeter can clearly be seen in the red box in this image:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/j13u5ev3ypekr8...

Okay then iFixit....

Nicholas Griffin - Antwoord

Noted and the text was corrected clarifying the openings are for the twitter speaker.

Dan -

Does step 17, photo 2 serve as confirmation that the leftmost part of the touch bar is inactive, meaning that a soft escape key cannot be properly located far enough left to be directly above the backquote/tilde key?

John Pane - Antwoord

The area is the interface to the ribbon connector that goes to the logic board. I do agree the placement is troubling. I suspect the designer wanted to be symmetrical with the other side as the Touch ID/Power Switch is the same amount of space so the Touch Bar is cropped in on that side. I'm surprised as well they didn't think this through. I would have brought the Touch display all the way to the left edge and used the underside for the connection point. There is no reason it couldn't be a bit asymmetrical.

Dan -

> There is no reason [the Touch Bar] couldn't be a bit asymmetrical.

Except that Jobs liked symmetry..

jimwitte -

As long as the battery is glued in and the ssd and ram are not upgradeable, i'm not buying one. I'm glad I bought a mid-2012 non-retina when I did.

darthd - Antwoord

You want retina.

Kim Zhou -

Sure I'd love to have a retina display with the benefits of the older case design! Is Apple listening?

Dan -

what a shame! apple think all their users are stupid. they probably are 99% right. Who cares if you cant upgrade the ssd? The next step will be solder the battery too? What else they can invent to suck the idiots money? I fell terrible windows pc are so much worst... for now who cares about upgrade at least the ssd will be in the hunt for the old models. And sandisk? common, this is only to change to samsung ssd next year and announce a twice fast ssd?

Alber Einsten - Antwoord

"What else they can invent to suck the idiots money?" How does a book for 300 bucks sound?

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/15/13635...

Thomas J -

A stand for your Pro Display XDR for $1000!

David Fear -

Other crazy prices:

VESA Mount Adapter - $199.00

Apple Mac Pro Wheels Kit - $699.00

Apple Mac Pro Feet Kit - $299.00

David Fear -

it's crazy apple designed a separate 13 inch function key model instead of just shrinking down the touch bar model, sure it might save money on the long run, but design and testing and manufacturing two completely different 13 inch would mean ........................................................................................people from macbook air department would still keep their jobs.

Dan Fu - Antwoord

This is the mate to the 13" Function key model Here is the 15" Touch Bar Teardown. What are you saying here, you want the new MacBook to have the Touch Bar?

Dan -

Am I reading the data sheet for the ram correctly? The Samsung ram was released in 2012, and is rated at ~1066MHz??? Is this somehow run in tandem to yield 2133MHz?

Briefly looking through some of the early Geekbench scores, it seems the new rMBP doesn’t have much of an edge, if any over the predecessor. Upon looking closer, it seems the memory tests are slower on the newer model. This doesn’t add up per Apple’s claim! Is this yet another crippling disappointment?

Brian B - Antwoord

I guess the third microphone will become "visible" in the 15" model. In this 13" model it must be switched off (for sure).

weruaga - Antwoord

Why da fcuk do you need to open it?!

IT JUST WORKS!

Ok, the Sandisk SSD can break down, that can happen. But everything else is working forever.

Andron MacBeton - Antwoord

You do realize that the SanDisk SSD is now soldered onto the logic board, it may be the first to die, but if it dies the entire board is useless and thus you will need a logic board replacement. Lets hope you keep backups because without a removable SSD there's no chance of getting your data recovered.

jesusfrk258 -

It appears you do not grasp the concept of why repair guides are created:

~1 Some people (like me) just LOVE knowing how things work - that's how we become engineers, and are able to repair things and design other things, make informed decisions (which we can confidently pass on to others with less inclination or interest to know this stuff.)

~2 Because repairing your own device teaches you independence and VALUABLE skills which are transferable and profitable, and also enjoyable to learn and practice.

It's also fine to be a consumer who DOESN'T, but it's illogical for you to criticise or chastise those who DO take them apart, kapish?

Matt Foot -

GOLD contacts, not copper; the copper is the underlying substrate that is the PCB trace.

Matt Foot -

With respect, iFixit, leave the puns to us English folks, your attempts are extremely contrived and... well... they don't work and detract from the articles you feel the urge to force them into. PLEASE, just don't try to be funny - we come here to see things stripped down, not for comedy - others do it way better.

Thanks :)

Matt Foot -

Could the extra microphone be there to pick up fan noise in order to subtract it from the desired (External) signal?

turmunder - Antwoord

Thank you for teardown.

Ali2 - Antwoord

With respect, iFixit, add additional puns. We love your extremely contrived attempts at humor. They simply work, never detracting from the articles. They are as welcome as caviar on toast. Please, be funny! We come here for two things, stripping and comedy. No one else does it better.

Thanks {:-)

sarre9 - Antwoord

Hello,

Does anyone know if these new Macbook pros have 3x3 Wi-Fi antennas like the 2013 models ?

Thank you !

Dan - Antwoord

This model appears to have 3 transmit antennas (see image of the back without cover, near right fan). I think this is a 3x3 wifi model. The non-touch bar model is 2x2.

Steven Zhang -

Curious what the shielded port is for. I am skeptical that it is for reading the SSD, since the SSD usually needs communication with the SMC, CPU and requires 3.42v and 3.3v S0 voltages to power it (among other circuits/signals). Unless the reader tool which plugs in independently powers the SSD ICs, I think it will be unlikely.

I think there is a high chance it is just a shielded diagnostic port, to better protect it from liquid damage. On older models (Macbook Air is a good example) if the diagnostic port gets liquid damaged, Apple can no longer use the port to read important voltages. It can also prevent the Macbook from working correctly, which is why a lot of diagnostic ports get removed by 3rd party repair centres.

In time, we will see I guess...

Reece - Antwoord

I've had many laptops over the years and at the end of use I always removed the data disk in order to protect my privacy. Now I have security/privacy concerns about the soldered SSD. If the logic board (or the SSD itself) goes wrong, how can you ensure that the data is removed?

Bob K - Antwoord

Nah, it's pretty simple. Turn on FileVault encryption (you already have it on don't you?), and then when you remove your userID and recovery key you make the SSD unreadable.

Spinner Monk -

Alternatively, you could remove the logic board and destroy the SSD by smashing the data chips. I'd be a bit of a waste, but it's secure!

TheComputerCellar -

Sir ifixit engineers if the touch bar is fragile I think it will be broken when taken by non experts or local repair technicians.what to do unless we replace it we do not need to touch it.for replacing keyboard is it necessary to remove touch bar I am asking this because it is so fragile.i know you're experts.pls help ifixit engineers as soon within less time I am waiting for you

muhammed dilshad - Antwoord

Sir pls help I look your website everytime for disassembly

muhammed dilshad - Antwoord

Sir ifixit where is the harddisk and dvd drive.plshelp as soon as possible

muhammed dilshad - Antwoord

Why apple is making it's laptops unrepairable

muhammed dilshad - Antwoord

Ives has too much input at Apple. He has developed an anorexic approach to design. He has slimmed down the look of MacOS from a 3D look to a flat bland desktop. Functional and repair sacrifices were made to make the equipment "The thinnest we ever made it" The touch bar is a nice idea but it can only be fixed by replacing the entire top of the computer. I have replaced just the keyboard for a MBP for just $40. It's held in with over 30 very small screws and was a lot of work. Still fixable though. Apple just replaces the whole top. We couldn't be foiled with special screws. Just solder and glue everything in place now. The touch bar is, in effect, part of the upper frame. USB C is great as a multiport but the loss of Magsafe is just wrong. We are back to our laptops flying off the tables again. Oh wait - More broken Macs that have to be replaced! Soldered in drives for the sake of thinness, look how this compulsion worked for Karen Carpenter.

Carl Manuelian - Antwoord

got one and i love it. couldn't be happier. might be an idiot, but at least a happy idiot :)

Daniel - Antwoord

Why is there 5 batteries and not 3? One big would have bigger capacity than 2 smaller.

longpeoplehair - Antwoord

Where is the wifi Chipset for the 802.11 and Bluetooth? why didnt you guys list it for the 15 inch model and you listed it for the 13 inch?

Moe Khan - Antwoord

Hey there Moe Khan! In step 8 there is the Murata/Apple Wi-Fi chip. This is likely a combination of both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. Unfortunately this is a proprietary chip, so there is no publicly available data sheet (at least as far as I know). This means we can't confirm that this is FOR SURE a Bluetooth chip. We are just "pretty sure". I hope this helps you! (I also responded to your post on the 15" MBP with Touch Bar).

Scott Havard -

From the Samsung part no decode, it should be LPDDR3.

cl chao - Antwoord

what kind of adhesive do you use to put the battery back as well as the trackpad and other adhered parts?

Joshua - Antwoord

Hello I am contacting you from the Experimac East Orlando store. I was wondering if the Display was easily removable or if i would have to do something with the Touch Bar to remove the screen. Looking forward to more Tear Downs, thanks again iFixit Team!

Store Manager - Antwoord

Hello. I just broken my screen. What are the chances that it can be fixed?

Mahrukh Isa - Antwoord

Nothing there about keyboard disassembly.

Mine has several keys that are now mushy and not clicky and I'd like to see a way of getting it apart without breaking the butterfly assembly.

Anyone?

Broad Gavin - Antwoord

Are there tamper proof screws or other booby traps that would let Apple know the computer has been opened up to void a warranty?

ingerdave1 - Antwoord

Recently got my screen broken and went black as just the “broken” area displays strands of colors. Went to Apple Store and said that they would reply within the day but never got any feedback from them. Can the Retina Display be repaired without the need of buying another laptop? If it can, how much can it be to repair it? I would appreciate any answers. Thank you.

Jose Luis Villaseñor - Antwoord

Please make a tutorial of how to apply new, quality thermal paste to the Macbook pro’s processor. Quinn of Snazzy Labs showed us, that using higher quality paste results in about 10% performance gains.

Máté Adorján - Antwoord

In regards to the MacBook Pro internal cables/parts, can some one tell me what “Mylar BMU eDP TCON” is?

Stefan Lewis - Antwoord

Can the battery be removed/replaced without the full teardown?

cedricsims - Antwoord

Hello, is anyone can help me to locate graphic card chit on this logic board? i have the board but not sure about specs. Thanks.

Edward Gkih - Antwoord

Hi, is it possible replace logic board on another if is dead? I mean in home, without service and logic board from ebay?

Piotr Swatko - Antwoord

HOLA TENGO UN MAC BOOKPRO CON TOUCH BAR 2017 CON EL ERROR

cpu machine check architecture error dump (cpu intel(r) core(tm) i5

SE ME REINICIA A VECES NO QUIERO ARRANCAR SE PRESENTO EL ERROR CUANDO ACTUALIZE A CATALINA.

QUE PODRIA HACER AL RESPECTO.

GRACIAS

OMAR TABOADA VELASQUEZ - Antwoord

Grazie mille per questa guida. Dovevo sostituire la tastiera di questo pc, ma alla fine abbiamo optato di sostituire tutto quanto il pezzo intero. In alcuni punti mi ero proprio perso perché era la prima volta mettevo le mani su questo modello, ma grazie a questo teardown sono riuscito a levarmi dei dubbi su alcuni punti. Molto difficile ma anche parecchio soddisfacente come riparazione.

Francesco Crisafulli - Antwoord

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